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Post by Ceci on May 19, 2007 21:47:53 GMT -5
This was part of the James Madison show, but it made me think about launching a discussion on this issue. I understand how people need to feel that they can say what ever they want without the need of feeling as if they are insulting others. But, I wonder for people who feel this way, when does it cross the line for them? Is there a line that offends them when others say derogatory things about them?
When do they feel that the words others say are without a sense of empathy and conscience?
I would like to know, because the point about "political correctness" is all about respect and kindness. It does not mean that people have to walk on eggshells, but to at least be thoughtful about others.
What do you guys think?
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Post by F.Gordon on May 20, 2007 7:29:36 GMT -5
I think general respect is a must, but I don't think political correctness should be a worry when it comes to the context of comedy, which was where we were going with it on the show. I don't think a comedian, or a line of comedy being read as we were last night, should be taken as offense. The best point was the defining of 'Joke' James did on the show. I don't think there needs to be any other interpretation of it besides the definition. The difference is malice and no seriousness at all. It might only be my opinion and be carried by nobody else, but I think that makes all the difference, and I think people can tell the difference.
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Post by SeventhSeal17 on May 20, 2007 10:25:31 GMT -5
Say what you want, say it how you want. That is my theory.
As long as it is informed and intelligent, I have no qualms with the way words are put. Our society is crumbling due to political correctness, in my opinion.
God, you can't say a single f**kin' word to anyone without having a lawsuit coming to bite you. It's pathetic.
I believe in the first amendment very much. I will fight for anyones right to say anything. I don't have to like it, but you have the right to say it.
This should also reveal my stance on Don Imus, et al.
Being respectful is one thing, being an antagonist is another.
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Post by Ceci on May 20, 2007 18:58:42 GMT -5
That's fair. But what if there is someone who crosses the line with you? What if they say something on air that really offends not only your heritage, but your race? Would you just let them say it without acting? Or would you say something that would counter their opinions about your race and heritage?
I ask that because it is not so simple about fighting for the First Amendment. I would do the same. But I think what isn't clear is when sometimes people in the public sphere can openly insult another's culture and race. Then, they hide behind the First Amendment to get them out of an apology or feeling how much it has hurt the targets of their jokes. I think that they use the First Amendment as a way of really revealing how much they don't care how their targets feel.
This is not so much about punishing anyone for saying anything. But, I tend to ask whether people have a sense of consicience and empathy for their targets. Are they ready if someone says something back to them that is offensive and does the same thing without any rebuttal?
And if they are prepared to say anything they want on the public airwaves, should they be prepared for the consequences afterward if they get fired from the station?
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Post by SeventhSeal17 on May 20, 2007 21:16:24 GMT -5
As long as it is informed and intelligent, I have no qualms with the way words are put. Intending to hurt someone is different then saying something that may hurt someone. For instance (and this is pure example, and I know some members are of color, so please take no offense) If I said: "d**n [fill in your own racial slur about black people] are always going to prison! They're always doing something wrong! Bah!"That is not a correct way to something, even if I meant what I said. However, if I said: "25% of all black men will at one point be imprisoned in their lives, this is a problem.. let's fix it". It is far different... but basically the same message. Getting what I mean? I think it may have been a little unclear.
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